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Online retail saltwater and freshwater aquarium fish direct from Matt Pedersen via MiniWaters.FISH - shop online now!

Online retail saltwater and freshwater aquarium fish direct from Matt Pedersen via MiniWaters.FISH – shop online now!

Since the Lightning Project started, and particularly once progeny first became available, I’ve had countless inquiries about purchasing Lightning Maroon Clownfish direct from me.  In 2013 and 2014, all the offspring I had to offer were sold exclusively through Blue Zoo Aquatics and the team there. 2015 saw a dramatic uptick in production and availability from Sea & Reef Aquaculture; meanwhile for multiple reasons I don’t think I reared a single fish in 2015.

However, the holdback pair, MD1 and MD2, started spawning for my good friend Mike Doty, and thus, we’ve had F2 fish available as I announced late last year.  There are also very limited F1 Lighting Maroon offspring straight from the wild pair that I will make available.

A WSYIWYG F1 PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish, 2 years old, from the original wild pair!  Available on MiniWaters.FISH

A WSYIWYG F1 PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish, 2 years old, from the original wild pair! Available on MiniWaters.FISH

To be frank, we’ve been offering these fish at wholesale to stores, but have had very limited interest, which is surprising since so many of the shops had been asking for them for so many years.  Furthermore, our breeding here in Duluth, MN, is currently the only production of high-coverage to all-white Lightning Maroon Offspring that I’m aware of, which means the shops and retailers that have wholesale accounts with us have access to very exclusive premium quality Lightning Maroons to ultra quality Lightning Maroon Clownfish that no one else can get!  These are the fish like the pair I held back; the entire bodies of these fish are expected to break up over time into the lace-like network of red spots.  And of course, we have plenty of more traditional type standard grade Lightning Maroon Clown offspring as well, and they’re not 100% related to the Sea & Reef bloodlines either.

You can find premium grade Lightning Maroon Clownfish like this for sale at MiniWaters.FISH

You can find premium grade Lightning Maroon Clownfish like this for sale at MiniWaters.FISH

When it comes right down to it, as breeders, we need to sell fish. And as much as I run and offered wholesale exclusively for the past few years to “support the LFS”, if the stores aren’t buying what we’re producing, yet we know you guys WANT them, we had to find another way.

Yes, a solid white juvenile like this is going to be covered in pattern in a couple years - Lightning Maroons like this for now only come from Duluth MN!  Buy them at MiniWaters.FISH

Yes, a solid white juvenile like this is going to be covered in pattern in a couple years – Lightning Maroons like this for now only come from Duluth MN! Buy them at MiniWaters.FISH

So as of January 1st, 2016, I personally launched MiniWaters.FISH.  This is exclusive, direct from Matt Pedersen offerings of mostly captive-bred marine / saltwater fish (with the occasional freshwater offerings just to mix things up). Some fish are produced here, some produced by other breeders, and all carefully chosen to suit my own tastes first.  In short, I’m only going to intentionally stock fish that IF they never sell, I’ll be happy to call them pets for their rest of their lives!  If you like my tastes, then you’ll like what I’m offering.  If you want to buy Lightning Maroon Clownfish, well, for obvious reasons, this is the first place I’d suggest you look!

And I’m still offering wholesale to local shops; my retail pricing is such that any shop should be able to purchase from my wholesale list and, if they desire, undercut my online pricing while still making an industry-standard basic retail markup on livestock. See the MiniWaters.FISH wholesale page for more information – I’m STILL trying to “support the LFS”!

Customers in the upper midwest have an added bonus; residents of MN, WI, Northern IL and Northern IA can get overnight shipping for as little as $10!  Yes, MN retail customers, you get stuck with full Duluth city-rate sales tax..it is what it is…but shipping in the upper midwest is a screamin’ deal!

Standard Grade PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish - shop for them at MiniWaters.FISH

Standard Grade PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish – shop for them at MiniWaters.FISH

So please be sure to check out MiniWaters.FISH.  Please “like” the MiniWaters.FISH Facebook page too so you get updates.

I won’t be posting much in the way of “promoting sales” here on The Lightning Project per-say, as that’s not really the point of this website.  But, breeders need to sell their fish and aquarists need to buy them, so…wholesale or retail, drop me a line at MiniWaters.FISH and maybe I can send something your way!

This morning I received an email containing a text conversation from a concerned aquarist, asking me to confirm the claims made by an individual on Facebook who had offered to sell 50 “F1″ Lightning Maroon Clownfish. It is fair to say that the concern was warranted.

The “seller”, operating under a Facebook account with the name “James Cohn”, caught attention with an initial post looking to sell 50 F1 Lightning Maroons, made to a small Facebook group of Clownfish enthusiasts. That post is now gone, removed by a moderator it would seem, but the individual who forwarded the conversation was interested in what was being offered.

I must disclaim the following – virtually everything said here with regards to me is untrue.  I don’t know who James Cohn is, I don’t even know if that is this person’s real name.  For that matter, I cannot even 100% say that I am not being set up here being shown a fictional conversation (granted, that would require a lot of effort to simply create a conversation solely to either discredit this “James Cohn” or to otherwise get my attention). I may well be getting “trolled” here. Maybe “James Cohn” is the victim, being told things that aren’t true by some other 3rd party. This is all, in the end, smoke and mirrors. Or more likely, this is simply someone looking to rip people off. Wouldn’t be the first time.

Regardless, this scenario demonstrates a rising problem I’m seeing in the clownfish world. This is basically Tulip Mania, on a somewhat smaller scale.

I’m watching fish being traded like playing cards, breeders wantonly attempting to hybridize Lightning Maroons with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, and quite willing to risk the long term genetic integrity of the PNG lineage of these fish by hybridizing them with Gold Stripe Maroons (they almost seem to be doing it specifically to assert their right that they can do ANYTHING THEY PLEASE with complete disregard for the consequences). There are people misrepresenting themselves as legitimate businesses, or claiming to be breeders who may have never reared a single fish in their lives, so as to procure fish from sources like Sustainable Aquatics and Sea & Reef Aquaculture, undercutting their local fish stores to make only $0.10 on the $1.00, flipping fish like cheap Chinese junk at the dollar store.

Venues like Facebook are facilitating this at an alarming rate; when “players” like “James Cohn” (presuming the “h” is silent!) get found out, they can easily reinvent themselves with a new group, a new pseudonym, a new eBay account and keep trucking. Anyone can make themselves look huge, quite quickly, and dare I saw Florida seems to be the largest hotbed for such activity at this time. Facebook seems to overrun with no-name sellers who you’ve never heard of, everyone and anyone being a clownfish breeder who will sell you just about anything you want for the right price. Nevermind the ongoing concept of trumped up, make believe, “artificial rarity”. This latest example, of “James Cohn”, simply being perhaps the most egregious example (if in fact legitimate at all).

Update – while the above commentary is harsh, I am calling it as I see it. I do acknowledge that small businesses have to start somewhere, and more so than ever, it’s in someone’s basement or garage.  I’m a “Basement Breeder” myself after all.

Before I reveal the conversation, let me deal with some of the claims made by “James Cohn”:

Claim #1 - James Cohn claims that “I’ll be getting the pair from the creator of the lightning maroon project”. FACT - there are only two spawning pairs in this fishroom, and neither are for sale at this time. So unless someone is planning to break into our home to steal them, this is a flat out lie.

Claim #2 - The story now changes, and James Cohn claims “Can’t hook you up direct from Matt but I can get you second degree offspring” – FACT – it is possible that other Lightning Maroon pairs are starting to spawn from the first released fish, so this could be true.

Claim #3 – James Cohn then states “Haven’t gotten the pair in but we’ve been in touch with Matt, Zachs a personal friend of mine.” FACT – fact is this – NO ONE has been in touch with me about getting a pair of Lightning Maroons from me because, well, for starters, ALL my offspring get sold through Blue Zoo Aquatics.  There have been exceptions, fish that have been donated to events by me for fund raising, but that’s far different than ME selling fish directly to a private individual.  That DOES NOT HAPPEN, I run my fishroom strictly wholesale to the trade and fellow breeders who have demonstrated the same committment to the trade. In short, there is no way a private individual who’s claimed to live in PA is purchasing ANY fish directly from me.  Never mind a proven spawning pair of Lightning Maroon Clownfish.

Claim #4 – when asked “So you are working on the project with matt”, James Cohn replies “Naw but he’s personally selling me the pair. I’m a 3rd party breeder with ties.”. FACT - I’m not personally selling a pair to ANYONE, but particularly not to a “James Cohn” in PA. The only way ANYONE is able to obtain a pair of my fish at this time would be one of the aforementioned avenues – Blue Zoo Aquatics, or the off chance I donate a fish to an event.

And it goes on from there.  Nevermind that James Cohn is using MY photography to peddle his nonexistent fish onto unsuspecting aquarists on Facebook.

In short, AVOID AT ALL COSTS. If anyone claims to be selling fish “directly from Matt Pedersen” by all means, ASK ME FIRST.

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It amazes me still that even with the entire story documented here for the world to see, there are still people out there who get it wrong, and sometimes blatantly so.  I was alerted to a discussion on Facebook today  in a semi-private forum, so I’ll refrain from naming names and keep it strictly to the inaccuracies.  Within this discussion, all sorts of factually inaccurate statements were made, and so, it’s time for another round of “Lightning Maroon Mythbusting” – let’s set the record straight.

Myth - “My company ********* is a official retailer for sea and reef aquaculture the original and only breeders for the lightning maroon clownfish”

Fact – While the company in question may be an official retailer for Sea & Reef, even Soren Hansen himself wouldn’t be so bold as to claim that Sea and Reef was the “original” (aka. first) breeders of Lightning Maroon Clownfish, nevermind they are certainly not the “only” either.  I’ll just raise my hand here and claim originality (which is indisputable) and for a long time, until Sea & Reef produced their 2nd generation fish, I was also the only ;)

Myth - “Soren from sea and reef aquaculture teamed up with Matt from bluezoo aquatics and they had joined forces..first pair to successfully breed was a joint venture.”

Fact - The first pair to successfully breed was my pair, here in Duluth MN, the wild-collected Lightning Maroon Clownfish with a wild collected normally patterned Maroon, both from Fisherman’s Island in PNG. Soren / Sea & Reef had nothing to do with the first pairing, and it certainly was not a “joint-venture” between myself and Sea & Reef or Soren.

Furthermore, I am not “from Blue Zoo Aquatics”…I am a customer of Blue Zoo Aquatics, but I do not work for them.  I sell them the offspring of the actual “ORIGINAL” Lightning Maroon pairing, drop shipping them to Blue Zoo’s retail customers, but I am independent of Blue Zoo. There was no “joint-venture” in the production of the original F1 Lightning Maroon Clownfish offspring either – they were done by my own hand in my basement fishroom.  Mike Doty, a good friend and fellow fish breeder who lives literally around the block, can be credited with helping rear the first, and some of the subsequent batches I’ve produced to date here in Duluth.

Myth - “Besides bluezoo lost their first breeding pair which one was a wild caught and one was a regular maroon”

Fact - Nothing could be further from the truth.  In fact, NOTHING in that statement is even remotely true.  It would seem that the person speaking (who is retailing Lightning Maroons from Sea & Reef) is attempting to create the illusion of rarity / exclusivity in order to drive sales.

But…let me pick it apart point by point.  This statement implies that only one of the fish in the pair was wild caught. My pair = F0 X F0 (all wild caught).  Sea & Reef’s initial pairing was one of my F1 offspring, paired to another F0 PNG white stripe maroon (per Soren Hansen’s communication with me).

Blue Zoo never had a breeding pair, so impossible to lose something they never had. Let’s assume that the “blue zoo” pair this person is referring to is in fact MY pair, the one which has supplied the offspring which Blue Zoo Aquatics retailed – that pair is still alive and well and producing…heck they just laid their 43rd spawn yesterday.

Myth - “So when they had a hybrid and Soren had an original wild caught they teamed up to bring them to wholesalers for sale”

Fact -  I’m not even sure in what context the commentator / retailer is using the term “hybrid”, but I will say this – hybrid has multiple definitions. In the context it is typically thought of, being intraspecific hybridization (the offspring of two separate species) then no, no hybrids here. There are interspecific hybrids (at least one individual out there would prefer I use the term “population hybrids”) but at the end of the day, short of saying that ANY pairing of ANY fish of ANY type = hybrid, there is nothing hybrid about any of the breeding I did here, nor the breeding I’m aware of at Sea & Reef. The Lightning Maroon Clownfish is pure Premnas biaculeatus “PNG White Stripe”, but carries a mutant gene / allele which causes the unique stripe pattern alteration.

I think there’s also a lot of implication that there was direct collaboration between Blue Zoo Aquatics, Myself, and Soren Hansen, and I must clarify that. While I clearly have met Soren, have had many conversations with Soren, there was no coordinated effort on my part, or the part of Blue Zoo, to team up and bring Lightnings to wholesalers for sale.  Soren Hansen purchased his F1 broodstock fish at public auction from me via Blue Zoo Aquatics – anyone could have bought that fish.

It was Soren Hansen who had the foresight to be a commercial breeder which procured additional wild PNG broodstock when it was available, on the gamble that there would one day be F1 Lightnings for him to work with at Sea & Reef.  So, the credit for that goes squarely to Soren…he planned thoughtfully and then executed on that plan when the opportunity presented itself. I commend him for that foresight and a job well done.

Myth - “I will correct myself [Sea & Reef is] not the only breeder with the Lightning Maroons just the only ones that have quantity and the original strain”

Fact - Sorry, flat out “wrong”. While Sea & Reef does have the largest available quantity, they are not the “only ones that have….the original strain”.

I’ll avoid getting into the jargon of “strain”…as it doesn’t really apply well in this setting at this time anyway, but I will say this and I know Sea & Reef won’t argue. The “original” pair is here, still producing offspring. It is arguable that my stock has the “original” inherited gene, but we must understand that Soren’s offspring, which are 2nd generation Lightnings by using of my first generation offspring as a parent, should carry the exact same “lightning gene”.  So they have the “original gene”, inherited from their parent, who got it from my original wild fish.

Ultimately, there will be many lines of Lightning Maroons produced by breeders around the planet, but unless another wild Lightning is discovered, collected, brought to market, and successfully bred, all Lightning Maroon Clownfish will owe their unique mutant gene to the original wild fish which resides here in my basement to this day.

Now, whether other breeders will keep their Lightning Maroon lineages true to the PNG provenance is another story, and that one day could be a bone of contention (eg. anyone hybridizing Lightnings with Gold Stripe Maroons, or looking at white stripe broodstock outside the PNG provenance). Sea & Reef has respected the PNG provenance in their lines (both Morse Codes and Lightnings), I have as well, and I’m hoping that all other breeders will do so, because it does matter in the long term when it comes to conserving natural biodiversity.

Opinion - “You can pay 2k plus for garbage or you can pay $3-400 retail and get yourself a quality maroon. Its a no brainer those that spent big bucks not even a year ago I’m sure feel like crap after seeing the prices of these from sANDr”

Fact - everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they’re not entitled to their own facts.

LM20 was offered via the Blue Zoo Collector's Choice for $999.95

LM20 was offered via the Blue Zoo Collector’s Choice for $999.95

Before I even had a chance to post it here on the Lighting Project, Lightning Maroon #20, aka LM20, was listed for $999.95 and sold via the Blue Zoo Collector’s Choice section of their website. This is likely the venue for at least the next few fish I release, which will remain drop shipped directly from Duluth, MN at this time. The best way to be notified of future offerings will be to get on the Blue Zoo Newsletter (subscribe on their homepage, left column) and watch the Lightning Maroon Clownfish Facebook Page.

4 more offspring up for bid in a Blue Zoo eBay auction.

4 more offspring up for bid in a Blue Zoo eBay auction.

Over the weekend, Blue Zoo started up 4 more eBay auctions for a few of the remaining fish I have to offer this summer.  These include the last 3 available fish from the June 29th, 2012 hatch; WS11, WS4, and LM11. LM19 is from spawn #14, the 10-24-2013 hatch, and is one of the best offspring I’ve raised to date (in my opinion). It is also a small fish at 1.5″, and would make an solid male in a pairing with a larger fish (of course, this is not without risks in trying to establish a pair).

>>>>> Just 2-3 days left to BID! <<<<<

This leaves only WS17 and LM20 for possible future auctions this summer if we so choose; I won’t have more fish at saleable size until fall or winter of this year.

*UPDATE* – Also, I should note, that Blue Zoo denoted LM19 as “best for last” in the auctions – we had been planning to keep LM19 for the last, but perhaps the wrong auction got made live or Blue Zoo changed the order but forgot to change the description.  So, as far as I know, it’s the “2nd to last”…

Back in June, we (I, Blue Zoo Aquatics, and Sea & Reef Aquaculture) announced an unprecedented raffle contribution to the Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) in recognition of the 5th Annual Marine Breeder’s Workshop, which is coming up quickly on July 19th, 2014, in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. In short, Blue Zoo and I contributed one of my holdback Lightning Maroon Clownfish, Sea & Reef contributed two F1 Morse Code Maroons from unrelated PNG Bloodlines to get one to pair with the Lightning Maroon, and Blue Zoo Aquatics footing the bill to ship the resultant pair to the winner within the continental US after the workshop.

Well, the first hurdle has been seen, and passed. On Wed., June 18th, Soren Hansen of Sea & Reef Aquaculture shipped out two select Morse Code Maroons from Maine, to Duluth, MN. In a turn of events that I think has never happened to me before, poor weather somewhere along the route caused UPS to fail to deliver the package that Thursday. Soren and I were quite anxious to see what was in the box when it finally arrived on Friday, June 20th.

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My son, Ethan, was eager to see what was in the box too!

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The moment of truth – was it a box of dead fish, or had Soren’s packing stood up to the challenge imposed upon the fish?

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Yes, that was Soren just going 2 for 2, successfully shipping fish an extra day without issues. The fish were honestly a little stressed out from the extra time in the bags. Both were placed into a 5 gallon bucket with a fair dosing of ChloramX to neutralize ammonia, and then were drip acclimated to reside a cube that had, for months, held my White Stripe X White Stripe holdback pair.

Initially, I thought I might pair up the smaller one with the holdback Lightning Maroon (MWP3), so for the first few days it was given the freedom to explore the main tank.

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Meanwhile, the larger Morse Code Maroon was acting a bit jealously. Every time I walked up to the tank, this was what I saw.

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So, I switched things up, and allowed the larger one to be out and about, while placing the smaller one into isolation. Here’s the larger one…

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The best part? 24 hours after releasing the larger one, I allowed the Lightning (MWP3) to join him. So far…not a single bit of bickering whatsoever.

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They don’t sleep together yet, but they don’t bicker or fight and they are indifferent about each other’s presence. Therefore, it’s hard to say that they’re a bonded pair, but they are 100% on the road to more solid bonding in the days, weeks, and months ahead. So, barring any changes or unforeseen murders, this will be the pair of fish up for raffle at the MBI Workshop!

LM9 - the first Lightning Maroon Clownfish to be offered at auction for 2014.

LM9 – the first Lightning Maroon Clownfish to be offered at auction for 2014.

As of the evening of 6/17/2014, Blue Zoo Aquatics has once again launched a series of Lightning Maroon Clownfish auctions; here’s what they had to say about the latest round:

“Summer is here and it’s time for the next wave of Lightning Maroon Clownfish to hit the market. It’s been about 6 months since the last wave hit and these truly remarkable fish from Matt’s first and second spawnings are ready to ship to their new homes.

After nearly 3 years of toil, trouble and extreme dedication, breeder Matt Pedersen is proud to offer to the US market the next batch of these truly remarkable fish. For those discovering this amazing animal for the first time, please click HERE to familiarize yourself with the extraordinary journey that has taken place to bring these fish to market.

These next 5 will be auctioned off in 3 individual fish eBay listings. The last two in this wave will be sold as a bonded pair.

Each listing in each wave will be staggered by about 12 hours to give everybody the best chance to obtain one of these remarkable fish. Four of these fish, including both fish from the bonded pair, display the striking lightning pattern similar to their mother while one of these fish look similar to a normal patterned maroon clownfish except for distinctive jagged striping and the odd white dot in different places. This sibling is the only PNG bloodline maroon clownfish on the market and the best bet for continued breeding and development of the lightning pattern [Note, Blue Zoo may have reused information from past auctions here - Sea & Reef's Morse Code Maroons, released spring 2014, are F1 PNG bloodlines as well]. Matt has more information about this on his website, http://www.lightning-maroon-clownfish.com so be sure to check it out.”

The first auctioned fish, LM9, is already up for bids. And for those who’ve been following my updates, it’s not hard to figure out which fish will be sold as the “Bonded Pair” (ok, it’s LM17 with LM18 - UPDATE #3 – they are now at auction too).  I’ll keep the identies of the last two fish secret for now [UPDATED - LM14 is now also up for bid! - UPDATE #2 - WS13 is also now up for bid!], but you know you can rule out MWP3, as that fish has been donated to the MBI Workshop Raffle this year!

 

The 2014 MBI Workshop presents a SHOCKING RAFFLE made possible by Blue Zoo Aquatics, MiniWaters LLC, and Sea & Reef Aquaculture.  In recognition of the 5th annual Marine Breeder’s Workshop, and the accomplishments made by marine breeders globally, we present a shocking once-in-a-lifetime raffle drawing!  One lucky winner will recieve the F1 PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish, MWP3, shown here, donated by Matt Pedersen (MiniWaters LLC) and Blue Zoo Aquatics, paired with a F1 PNG Morse Code Maroon donated by Sea & Reef Aquaculture, shipped from Duluth, MN by Blue Zoo Aquatics to any destination in the lower 48 US states after the 2014 MBI Workshop!  MBI Workshop July 19th, 2014 Cranbrook Institute of Science Bloomfield Hills, Michigan  For MBI Workshop registration, visit www.MBIWorkshop.com  Raffle tickets are only available at the workshop - MUST BE PRESENT TO WIN!

The 2014 MBI Workshop presents a SHOCKING RAFFLE made possible by Blue Zoo Aquatics, MiniWaters LLC, and Sea & Reef Aquaculture.

In recognition of the 5th annual Marine Breeder’s Workshop, and the accomplishments made by marine breeders globally, we present a shocking once-in-a-lifetime raffle drawing!

One lucky winner will recieve the F1 PNG Lightning Maroon Clownfish, MWP3, shown here, donated by Matt Pedersen (MiniWaters LLC) and Blue Zoo Aquatics, paired with a F1 PNG Morse Code Maroon donated by Sea & Reef Aquaculture, shipped from Duluth, MN by Blue Zoo Aquatics to any destination in the lower 48 US states after the 2014 MBI Workshop!

MBI Workshop
July 19th, 2014
Cranbrook Institute of Science
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
For MBI Workshop registration, visit www.MBIWorkshop.com
Raffle tickets are only available at the workshop – MUST BE PRESENT TO WIN!

First, I must go back to 5/25/2014, Sunday night, when I discovered that spawn #33 had been laid.  So hatch should come this Saturday night.

Many people have asked when the next Lightning Maroon Clownfish will be sold.  You may recall last fall that Blue Zoo stated they were going to auction 6, but then only auctioned 3. In short, weather in Duluth got brutally cold and never let up, meaning we never could safely ship.  We had snow on the ground well into MAY this year…60+ days of temps that never made it ABOVE 0F.   In short, Blue Zoo Aquatics is ready to auction more Lightning Maroons.  It is currently me, at the moment, holding up the process (I need to get them the materials). Either way, it’s time to be on alert, and to start watching newsletters and emails and eBay.  I presume as soon as I get my butt in gear, Blue Zoo will be offering them up.

On a whim I checked eBay tonight, and there it was, the first auction of the next 6 fish to be sold by Blue Zoo Aquatics.  They have kicked things off with Lightning Maroon #5 (LM5) – here’s a link to the LM5 Lightning Maroon Clownfish auction on eBay.

From reading the auction description, it sounds like Blue Zoo will be offering 3 fish now (not sure which three) and three fish after the Thanksgiving holiday, but well before Christmas.  This will leave roughly 4 fish here yet to be sold, retained as backups should anything go awry with winter shipping. All of the Lightning Maroon offspring on hand were recently updated with new photos in the inventory.

If all goes well (and it should) then those last 4 will probably be sold in early 2014, with more babies (presumably mainly from spawns #14 and #15) to come by late spring at the earliest. Definitely not getting hundreds or thousands of these fish, which means that until some of my supportive winners get their pairs going, it’s going to be a very limited variant for the near future.

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